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Socrates on Aspasia's funeral speech

c. 386 BCE, Athens. As Plato tells it; many read the Menexenus as satire.

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c. 386 BCEAthens

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Socrates

, AthensAs Plato tells it; many read the Menexenus as satire
About Pericles, as Thucydides tells it, set in 431/430 BCEOur constitution does not copy the laws of neighboring states; we are rather a pattern to others than imitators ourselves. …

How we know they are linked: Plato's Socrates claims Aspasia composed the funeral oration Pericles delivered; the dialogue is often read as satire, so this is a claim in the text, not established fact.

In plain words, ours

Aspasia rehearsed a funeral speech for me yesterday. I imagine she pieced parts of it together from the one she wrote for Pericles.

…but I was listening only yesterday to Aspasia going through a funeral speech for these very people. For she had heard the report you mention, that the Athenians are going to select the speaker; and thereupon she rehearsed to me the speech in the form it should take, extemporizing in part, while other parts of it she had previously prepared, as I imagine, at the time when she was composing the funeral oration which Pericles delivered; and from this she patched together sundry fragments.

Plato, Menexenus 236bTranslated by R. G. Bury (1929)Read the full passage (Plato, Menexenus 236b, opens scaife.perseus.org)

What was going on, our summary

In Plato's Menexenus, which many read as satire, Socrates and Menexenus are talking about the funeral speech Athens will soon need. Socrates has just named Aspasia as his teacher of speaking, and Menexenus then begs him to repeat her speech.

Checked claim by claim against: the passage around the quote.

Why it matters

Much of the interest in the Menexenus comes from its being one of the few surviving sources on how Athenians gave funeral speeches, even though it parodies the form.

Based on Wikipedia: Menexenus (dialogue)

Much of the interest in the Menexenus stems from the fact that it is one of the few extant sources on the practice of Athenian funeral oratory, even though it parodies the medium.

Wikipedia, Menexenus (dialogue) (opens en.wikipedia.org), as of 2026-04-05. Text CC BY-SA 4.0. Our line is checked against these sentences only.

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Men. Who is she? But you mean Aspasia, no doubt. Soc. I do and; also Connus the son of Metrobius; for these are my two instructors, the one in music, the other in rhetoric. So it is not surprising that a man who is trained like me should be clever at speaking. But even a man less well taught than I, who had learnt his music from Lamprus and his rhetoric from Antiphon the Rhamnusian, —even such a one, I say, could none the less win credit by praising Athenians before an Athenian audience. Men. What, then, would you have to say, if you were required to speak? Soc. Nothing, perhaps, myself of my own invention;

The quote: but I was listening only yesterday to Aspasia going through a funeral speech for these very people. For she had heard the report you mention, that the Athenians are going to select the speaker; and thereupon she rehearsed to me the speech in the form it should take, extemporizing in part, while other parts of it she had previously prepared, as I imagine, at the time when she was composing the funeral oration which Pericles delivered; and from this she patched together sundry fragments.

Men. Could you repeat from memory that speech of Aspasia? Soc. Yes, if I am not mistaken; for I learnt it, to be sure, from her as she went along, and I nearly got a flogging whenever I forgot. Men. Why don’t you repeat it then? Soc. But possibly my teacher will be vexed with me if I publish abroad her speech. Men. Never fear, Socrates; only tell it and you will gratify me exceedingly, whether it is Aspasia’s that you wish to deliver or anyone else’s; only say on. Soc. But you will probably laugh me to scorn if I, at my age, seem to you to be playing like a child. Men.

Plato, Menexenus 235e–236cTranslated by R. G. Bury (1929)Read the full passage (opens scaife.perseus.org)

When, and whose words

Date
c. 386 BCE. The Menexenus speech covers events down to the King's Peace (387/386 BCE), years after Socrates died in 399, so the scene is anachronistic; Plato wrote it c. 386–380 BCE.
Whose words
As Plato tells it; many read the Menexenus as satire.
How this post was checked
  • The plain-words line was read against the quote alone by a second, independent pass, which found it adds no claim the quote does not make (2026-10-03).
  • Each claim in the summary was checked by an independent pass against only the material it cites.
  • The quote itself is checked by the build: word for word, once, at the cited section of the stored translation.

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