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Xenophon on Socrates and appetite

c. 371–354 BCE, Athens. Xenophon's own words, remembering Socrates.

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c. 371–354 BCEAthens

about 2,387 years ago

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, AthensXenophon's own words, remembering Socrates

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Socrates ate just enough to enjoy it. Hunger was his best sauce, and any drink tasted good because he only drank when thirsty.

He ate just sufficient food to make eating a pleasure, and he was so ready for his food that he found appetite the best sauce: and any kind of drink he found pleasant, because he drank only when he was thirsty.

Xenophon, Memorabilia 1.3.5Translated by E. C. Marchant (1923)Read the full passage (Xenophon, Memorabilia 1.3.5, opens scaife.perseus.org)

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Xenophon, remembering Socrates, describes how frugally he lived and how closely he heeded signs from the gods. He adds that Socrates easily avoided overeating at dinners, and joked that Circe turned men into swine with a feast of tempting dishes.

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If ever any warning seemed to be given him from heaven, he would more easily have been persuaded to choose a blind guide who did not know the road in preference to one who could see and knew the way, than to disregard the admonition. All men, in fact, who flouted the warnings of the gods in their anxiety to avoid the censure of men, he denounced for their foolishness. He himself despised all human opinions in comparison with counsel given by the gods. He schooled his body and soul by following, a system which, in all human calculation, would give him a life of confidence and security, and would make it easy to meet his expenses. For he was so frugal that it is hardly possible to imagine a man doing so little work as not to earn enough to satisfy the needs of Socrates.

The quote: He ate just sufficient food to make eating a pleasure, and he was so ready for his food that he found appetite the best sauce: and any kind of drink he found pleasant, because he drank only when he was thirsty.

Whenever he accepted an invitation to dinner, he resisted without difficulty the common temptation to exceed the limit of satiety; and he advised those who could not do likewise to avoid appetizers that encouraged them to eat and drink what they did not want: for such trash was the ruin of stomach and brain and soul. I believe, he said in jest, it was by providing a feast of such things that Circe made swine; and it was partly by the prompting of Hermes, partly through his own self-restraint and avoidance of excessive indulgence in such things, that Odysseus was not turned into a pig.

Xenophon, Memorabilia 1.3.4–7Translated by E. C. Marchant (1923)Read the full passage (opens scaife.perseus.org)

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Date
c. 371–354 BCE. Written well after Socrates' death in 399 BCE; often dated c. 371 BCE or later, before Xenophon's death c. 354 BCE.
Whose words
Xenophon's own words, remembering Socrates.
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