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Plato's Seventh Letter on the Thirty

c. 353 BCE, Athens. Seventh Letter; authorship disputed.

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c. 353 BCEAthens

about 2,378 years ago

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Plato

, AthensSeventh Letter; authorship disputed

In plain words, ours

In no time these men made people miss the old government, and worst of all was how they treated my old friend Socrates, whom I would readily call the most just man alive.

And indeed I saw how these men within a short time caused men to look back on the former government as a golden age; and above all how they treated my aged friend Socrates, whom I would hardly scruple to call the most just of men then living,

Plato, Letters 7.324d–eTranslated by R. G. Bury (1929)Read the full passage (Plato, Letters 7.324d–e, opens scaife.perseus.org)

What was going on, our summary

In a letter credited to Plato, though its authorship is disputed, the writer recalls his youth, when the Thirty took power in Athens. Some of them were people he knew and they invited him to join, so he watched what they did, including trying to force Socrates to help seize a citizen for execution.

Checked claim by claim against: The Thirty take power in Athens, the passage around the quote.

Why it matters

Socrates stayed in Athens under the Thirty; the public came to associate him with them, which may have contributed to his eventual death sentence.

Based on Wikipedia: Thirty Tyrants

Socrates remained in the city through this period, which caused the public to associate him with the Thirty and may have contributed to his eventual death sentence, especially since Critias had been his student.

Wikipedia, Thirty Tyrants (opens en.wikipedia.org), as of 2026-09-19. Text CC BY-SA 4.0. Our line is checked against these sentences only.

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Just before and after

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But it so happened, I found, that the following changes occurred in the political situation. In the government then existing, reviled as it was by many, a revolution took place; and the revolution was headed by fifty-one leaders, of whom eleven were in the City and ten in the Piraeus—each of these sections dealing with the market and with all municipal matters requiring management—and Thirty were established as irresponsible rulers of all. Now of these some were actually connections and acquaintances of mine ; and indeed they invited me at once to join their administration, thinking it would be congenial. The feelings I then experienced, owing to my youth, were in no way surprising: for I imagined that they would administer the State by leading it out of an unjust way of life into a just way, and consequently I gave my mind to them very diligently, to see what they would do.

The quote: And indeed I saw how these men within a short time caused men to look back on the former government as a golden age; and above all how they treated my aged friend Socrates, whom I would hardly scruple to call the most just of men then living,

when they tried to send him, along with others, after one of the citizens, to fetch him by force that he might be put to death—their object being that Socrates, whether he wished or no, might be made to share in their political actions; he, however, refused to obey and risked the uttermost penalties rather than be a partaker in their unholy deeds. So when I beheld all these actions and others of a similar grave kind, I was indignant, and I withdrew myself from the evil practices then going on.

Plato, Letters 7.324c–325Translated by R. G. Bury (1929)Read the full passage (opens scaife.perseus.org)

When, and whose words

Date
c. 353 BCE. The Seventh Letter is conventionally dated c. 353 BCE, after Dion's death (354 BCE); here it recalls the rule of the Thirty (404–403 BCE).
Whose words
Seventh Letter; authorship disputed. Who was Plato?
How this post was checked
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  • The quote itself is checked by the build: word for word, once, at the cited section of the stored translation.

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