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Diogenes before Philip, in one story

338 BCE, Philip's camp, after Chaeronea. As Diogenes Laertius tells it, centuries later.

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338 BCEPhilip's camp, after Chaeronea

2,363 years ago

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, Philip's camp, after ChaeroneaAs Diogenes Laertius tells it, centuries later

In plain words, ours

One story, from Dionysius the Stoic: seized and brought to Philip, he was asked who he was. A spy on your endless greed, he said, and was set free.

Dionysius the Stoic says that after Chaeronea he was seized and dragged off to Philip, and being asked who he was, replied, A spy upon your insatiable greed. For this he was admired and set free.

Diogenes Laertius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers 6.43Translated by R. D. Hicks (1925)Read the full passage (Diogenes Laertius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers 6.43, opens scaife.perseus.org)

What was going on, our summary

Diogenes Laertius, writing centuries later, passes on a story from Dionysius the Stoic. In 338 BCE Philip of Macedon had just beaten Athens and Thebes at Chaeronea, and Diogenes the Cynic was brought before him as a captive.

Checked claim by claim against: Philip of Macedon defeats Athens and Thebes at Chaeronea, the passage around the quote.

Why it matters

About the event it belongs to: Philip of Macedon defeats Athens and Thebes at Chaeronea

The battle has been called one of the most decisive of the ancient world. In its wake the League of Corinth made the Greek states allies of Macedon and of each other, with Philip as guarantor of the peace.

Based on Wikipedia: Battle of Chaeronea (338 BC)

The battle has been described as one of the most decisive of the ancient world.

The League of Corinth, formed as a result, made all participants allies of Macedon and each other, with Philip as the guarantor of the peace.

Wikipedia, Battle of Chaeronea (338 BC) (opens en.wikipedia.org), as of 2026-10-01. Text CC BY-SA 4.0. Our line is checked against these sentences only.

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Just before and after

The text around the quote, word for word from the same translation.

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Others give this retort to Theodorus. Seeing some one perform religious purification, he said, Unhappy man, don’t you know that you can no more get rid of errors of conduct by sprinklings than you can of mistakes in grammar? He would rebuke men in general with regard to their prayers, declaring that they asked for those things which seemed to them to be good, not for such as are truly good. As for those who were excited over their dreams he would say that they cared nothing for what they did in their waking hours, but kept their curiosity for the visions called up in their sleep. At Olympia, when the herald proclaimed Dioxippus to be victor over the men, Diogenes protested, Nay, he is victorious over slaves, I over men. Still he was loved by the Athenians. At all events, when a youngster broke up his tub, they gave the boy a flogging and presented Diogenes with another.

The quote: Dionysius the Stoic says that after Chaeronea he was seized and dragged off to Philip, and being asked who he was, replied, A spy upon your insatiable greed. For this he was admired and set free.

Alexander having on one occasion sent a letter to Antipater at Athens by a certain Athlios, Diogenes, who was present, said: Graceless son of graceless sire to graceless wight by graceless squire. Perdiccas having threatened to put him to death unless he came to him, That’s nothing wonderful, quoth he, for a beetle or a tarantula would do the same. Instead of that he would have expected the threat to be that Perdiccas would be quite happy to do without his company.

Diogenes Laertius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers 6.42–44Translated by R. D. Hicks (1925)Read the full passage (opens scaife.perseus.org)

When, and whose words

Date
338 BCE. The text sets it just after the battle of Chaeronea (338 BCE); Diogenes Laertius wrote around the 3rd century CE, citing Dionysius the Stoic.
Whose words
As Diogenes Laertius tells it, centuries later.
How this post was checked
  • The plain-words line was read against the quote alone by a second, independent pass, which found it adds no claim the quote does not make (2026-10-03).
  • Each claim in the summary was checked by an independent pass against only the material it cites.
  • The quote itself is checked by the build: word for word, once, at the cited section of the stored translation.

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